Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: never thought i would..

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    744

    Default never thought i would..

    yeah space me i have been watching gino for free on demand and it is not bad. take out any reference to my fav show and gino is entertaining at times. i think one of the best characters on the show is saul tigh. poor guy does not know who he is and even when he finds out he is cylon stays at adama's side. when adama first finds out he almost has a nervous breakdown. the rest of the characters are not bad if one watches and doesn't try to put the show in the same universe as our beloved show. watching baltar's escape right no on metv. never realized mark sheppard from supernatural was on the show. cool actor imho. will miss him on supernatural. looks like baltar has a handle on spirituality. he believe in one god. he doesn't believe in many of the gods the colonials worship. sort of like on os galactica where adama mentions god to iblis.

  2. #2

    Default

    Paul,

    I know how you feel about watching it. I felt the same way. Back in December, 2012/January, 2013, I watched the show also.
    I shared some thoughts about it in February, 2013, in a conversation with Martok and I'd like to share them, here, as well.


    Where do we start?

    The likely answer would be, “AT THE BEGINNING!!”

    So,…


    The beginning of the show was “interesting” but, it really didn’t change my mindset about the show, that I had been building these last 10 years, and that bothered me. I mean, I really couldn’t see the point in watching the show if I was already going to have my mind made up that I didn’t like it, that Moore and Eick were anti-Christs, and the cast was just a bunch of losers who couldn’t get a job anywhere else. So, I made a decision to remove “Galactica” from the formula. I realize that may sound non-sensical because of certain things like the name of the show, the name plate on the ship, etc but, I think you understand that I’m not talking about the obvious, here. I’m talking about it, on a sub-conscious level. I had to remove my thoughts of the show, as being something trying to replace what I considered to be Battlestar Galactica, and try to view it as a show about a huge space ship, protecting a couple hundred civilian ships, all containing survivors of holocausts on multiple planets.
    So, that’s what I did.

    I realized something, too. There WERE people on this show that I could like but, it didn’t happen immediately. It took the first couple of episodes and the first character who I found to be someone I could admire, was Helo.

    First, it was his gesture, during the evacuation, to give up his seat on the Raptor, to Baltar. After that, the Caprica storyline showed me that this guy wasn’t a dysfunctional mess and that maybe, just maybe, there was going to be some positive elements of this show.

    It did, though, take me longer to warm up to Sharon. Part of it was the “Boomer” thing and part of it was the fact that there were 2 copies, one on Caprica and the other on the Galactica. A lot of that baggage, though, went away after she became pregnant. Her desire to keep the child and to remain with Helo, once they were rescued by Starbuck, started the process of me viewing her as “Sharon” and not, “Boomer”. For me, that was a big step. It was one of many that I took, during this “grand experiment”.
    At the beginning of the show, I really had no use for Kara. I already had the “Starbuck” issue going on so, seeing her coarse behavior, arrogance, insubordination, etc, just cemented the idea that it was not going to be easy watching her, in this show. To me, she was just a loud-mouthed b*tch who went out of her way to aggravate me. Well, that too, changed and, yes, it was not overnight. Her competition with Kat was typical, for her but, at the end of that storyline, the final 'honor' she gave to Kat was nice. Kara's loyalty to Adama and need for his love and 'approval' showed me that, deep down, it's no different than the interaction between a father and a daughter.

    I, also, didn’t really care for Lee. He seemed to be too full of himself, to be concerned with anyone else. Yes, he lost his brother but, his father lost a son. He never once put himself in his father’s shoes and saw it from his point of view. He never once considered how absolutely horrific it is for a parent to bury a child. But, I tolerated it. Then, for me, the ice melted, with the episode, “You Can’t Go Home Again”. When the search was on for Starbuck and Apollo could see how hell-bent his father was, to find her, and thinking that she was the “favorite”, he asked his father what would happen if he was the one there, and not Starbuck. When Adama said, “We’d NEVER leave”, that did it. I smiled as I wiped away a few tears and thought, ok, maybe I was wrong. Maybe I DID throw the baby out with the bath water.

    In the episodes that followed, there were disagreements between father and son but, they were honest disagreements and not just the whining of some petulant boy who thought that he could make himself look better, by making his father look bad. Neither backed away from core principles – one exchange, during Season 3, exemplified this, when Apollo resigned his commission, saying that he could “never serve for someone who questioned his integrity” and his father saying, he “would never have an officer in his command, who didn’t have any”, or something to that effect. Were the comments by each man hurtful to the other? Hell yeah but, it was not unlike a real-life argument between a father and a son. Eventually, all was forgiven and I think the pivotal event that healed that open wound, was Apollo’s incredible closing argument, during Baltar’s trial. He absolutely changed the entire outcome of the trial with that monologue. It was an absolute, KA-BOOM!
    Throughout the show, I was also noticing the growing affection that was occurring between Adama and Roslin. It was something that I truly enjoyed and hoped that it would continue. As it turned out, I wasn’t disappointed. Even near the end of the final episode, the flight in the Raptor….. a nice touch.


    There were, however, some parts that I really didn’t care for and I’ll get it over with, now.

    The rape scene.

    My opinion of it hasn’t changed from those days back in September 2005 when we wrote the Shutdown Letter. There is just no way in hell that I will ever agree that that scene should have ever been filmed or broadcast. It was and will be, a horrible aggression against a completely defenseless person. It would have been bad enough, if the Pegasus officer had physically overwhelmed Sharon, himself. But, to have 2 other soldiers holding her down while he was ‘getting ready’ was just thoroughly and absolutely disgusting.
    Another part of the show that I just didn’t care for, was the occupation on New Caprica. To me, it had concentration camp written all over it and was a chapter in humanity that we didn’t have to revisit, to tell a story. The Colonials looked like animals in pens. Why was it necessary to portray them that way? They had just lost their entire civilization. There were, maybe, about 40,000 survivors left, from 12 planets. Why did they have to continually be portrayed as gutter dwellers? Couldn’t there have been some nice scenes with green grass, fresh-water streams, kids playing, etc?

    Cally.
    Was it really necessary to drive her character into the ground? She wasn’t one of the elite and it would have been nice to see her character rise above all the sadness and despair but, it wasn’t to be.

    Handles, last names, suits, ties.
    In the overall context of the show, they make sense now.

    Dualla.
    A complete surprise. Sad.

    All Along the Watchtower?
    Are the Cylons saying that Hendrix is the one, true god?



    I won’t do a like/dislike for everything but, suffice it to say, I have had my own little epiphany, watching this show.

    It WAS worth the time that I spent watching it.

    I DID find likeable characters. I found my little nuggets of gold.

    And I owe Steve (Martok) a big apology and have a question – does that fence really have splinters?



    ....and I may just buy the set. Not sure when but, maybe.

    Padmé: [to Bail Organa] So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

    $1.89 when Obama elected President.
    About that price now, in many areas, thank to the Marcellus Shale Boom,
    which happened despite the Obama administration's efforts against it,
    like the Keystone Pipeline and the EPA attack dogs shutting down fossil fuel facilities.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    The Thriving Metropolis of Enid Oklahma
    Posts
    949

    Default

    I’m not going to go through all of it again. Overall the entire series was a huge disappointment. I’m glad the series gave the franchise some cachet. Very few episodes are rewatchable, Hand of God being an exception. The first season was best as the show became a parody of its self, a funny soap opera set in space. I enjoyed the last season with TOS nuggets appearing and the finale felt right.

    All this happened before (1978), all this will happen again. I can accept GINO as an alternate universe in the franchise if the franchise has a future.
    Boy before the mirror checks his camouflage polishes his armor and the Charger in the garage

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Metairie (New Orleans), LA
    Posts
    4,590

    Default

    Speaking as someone who loved the series, I'm glad you guys were able to find a few things to like about it out of the myriad things you didn't.

    Pete, the fence only splinters on the "do not like" area in the south 40.

    I found quite a bit more hope in the series that most others didn't....but, tomato potahto.

    I think if there is one thing that we can all agree on, at least, I hope.... it is that when there was a space battle or major, story defining action sequence in the show, it happened at the right moments. One thing I loved about this series is that there wasn't a space battle every single week. And when a space battle involving capital ships occurred....WOW, was it worth the wait. I still think my favorite moment from the series was The Adama Maneuver executed at the rescue of the colonials in New Caprica. That was just badassed. The Pegasus springing into the battle, and her subsequent sacrifice, whilst no surprise whatsoever, was still some spectacular eye candy. (She had to go out in a blaze of glory....it wouldn't do to have two battlestars protecting the fleet throughout the rest of the show.)

    If (biiiiiig IF) a new Galactica movie or series is made, I, too, hope that it will follow a little more along the spirit of the original series, without it being turned into a parody of itself, the way other 70's and 80's shows have been lately when they've been remade into movies. (Starsky and Hutch, Land of the Lost, CHiP's....still have zero interest in that one). Let's not forget though, that the trend of turning certain shows into comedies did not begin in the millennium. Anybody remember the Dragnet movie with Tom Hanks and Dan Akroyd....with an appearance by Harry Morgan? Granted, I think the intent was a bit different, but the idea is still the same.

    It's been a good while since I've watched the recent Galactica series, and I have the blu-ray set (hell, I have blu-ray sets of both the original and reimagined shows, with G80 in the set as well.) I do plan to watch it again, as there are some models from the newer show I need to build.
    "It is not so much that I am a smart man, rather that I have simply been accused of having good ideas....on occasion." -Martok2112
    "Much of what I know, I don't know half as well as I'd like, and half of what I know is more than deserves to be learned." -Martok2112

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    744

    Default

    myself i love spacebattles. nu galactica had some good ones. os galactica was limited by the technology of the era. cgi helps if you have it. os galactica did not. i still wish we got to see the tom de santo version. still hoping for a big series bg movie. hope it happens during my lifetime.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    744

    Default

    looks like katee has a new job as the villain on the flash. she is even doing a british accent for the role.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    The Thriving Metropolis of Enid Oklahma
    Posts
    949

    Default

    So I rewatched the Daybreak finale episodes again. Notorious for being disappointing to hardcore GINO fans. Much of it felt like how TOS should have ended. More satisfying than Galactica 1980 in many respects.
    Boy before the mirror checks his camouflage polishes his armor and the Charger in the garage

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •