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    I read that Mark Hamill was not happy with the direction they took for Luke.

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    with carrie fisher passing away i wish harrison ford had stayed on. i wonder how much carrie's passing will impact the film. so sad she went so young. mark hamill decided to grow his beard out for the role of luke in this film. i believe the character of luke is supposed to be in his 50's. they really fracked up with obi-wan. if you went by the prequels obi-wan wouldn't have been as old as alec guiness in episode IV. vader wouldn't have been that old when they removed the mask in return of the jedi.

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    I'm gonna guess Luke is in his late 50's/early 60's in this movie. Obi-Wan was considered to be around 60 years old at the time of ANH. (Then again, Qui-Gon Jinn in Episode I was also, apparently, 60 years old...and he looked far more fit than Obi-Wan in Ep IV.)

    Obi-Wan, I believe, was 17-18 in Ep. I,, 28-30 by Ep II, and probably around 40 in Ep III. So, add another 20 years and you have Episode IV, where he would likely be around the 60 year mark that had been established for him. (Different folks wear 60 in different ways.)
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    looks like they went swino in this latest movie. no wonder mark Hamill hated the script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribe13 View Post
    I read that Mark Hamill was not happy with the direction they took for Luke.
    yeah this new movie looks like plant vapors as boomer would say for the franchise. i guess this is not your father's star wars.

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    It’s been a while since I posted here. I guess now is as good a time as any.

    For what its worth I did like the film. Saw it twice. Once with family and the second time with friends. And I can see why some may have problems with the movie (Poe’s mutiny, Monte Carlo planet mission that went nowhere, Luke Force projecting instead of getting in his old X-Wing and facing Kylo directly) I found a lot to love about it as well.

    They tried to do different things. Take things in directions you think things are going to go then throw you a swerve. Poe’s mutiny? Turns out Leia knew what she was doing with Admiral Holdo, and Holdo knew what she was doing too. Rey’s parents being someone special? Turns out they were nobody. Luke getting in the X-Wing again? Well...you know.

    The problem I have is with the hate shown afterwards towards the film. It’s a hate I’m not sure I can completely trust. Do people have legitimate gripes against the film, or is it a ‘recreational’ hate that people find ‘entertaining’? If it’s the latter those people should just get out now and they should let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. If they have a legitimate gripe against the film, then voice it and say why you have a problem like a rational human being. Not like a Milton who laughs at the damage he’s causing.

    So, I loved the film and appreciate that they tried new things here than go through tired cliches we’ve seen over and over again. Could things have been done better? Sure. But I still appreciate what they did, and tried, to do.

    And I won’t make a final assessment of the overall trilogy until Episode 9. I may still be surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSC1 View Post
    It’s been a while since I posted here. I guess now is as good a time as any.

    For what its worth I did like the film. Saw it twice. Once with family and the second time with friends. And I can see why some may have problems with the movie (Poe’s mutiny, Monte Carlo planet mission that went nowhere, Luke Force projecting instead of getting in his old X-Wing and facing Kylo directly) I found a lot to love about it as well.

    They tried to do different things. Take things in directions you think things are going to go then throw you a swerve. Poe’s mutiny? Turns out Leia knew what she was doing with Admiral Holdo, and Holdo knew what she was doing too. Rey’s parents being someone special? Turns out they were nobody. Luke getting in the X-Wing again? Well...you know.

    The problem I have is with the hate shown afterwards towards the film. It’s a hate I’m not sure I can completely trust. Do people have legitimate gripes against the film, or is it a ‘recreational’ hate that people find ‘entertaining’? If it’s the latter those people should just get out now and they should let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. If they have a legitimate gripe against the film, then voice it and say why you have a problem like a rational human being. Not like a Milton who laughs at the damage he’s causing.

    So, I loved the film and appreciate that they tried new things here than go through tired cliches we’ve seen over and over again. Could things have been done better? Sure. But I still appreciate what they did, and tried, to do.

    And I won’t make a final assessment of the overall trilogy until Episode 9. I may still be surprised.
    I saw it Christmas night, and while I didn't hate it, I have issues with it, particularly with Rey. Here's my issue with it as best summed up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CALcI-4vM8E

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    A lot of the hate comes from the fact that a lot of these "fans" (not all fans) have made speculations over the last couple of years about how Episode VIII will play out, and how certain relationships and character arcs will go.....and then, enter the real creative minds (you know....the ones who actually do this for a living), and all of that zero-control over the franchise that those particular fans forget that they have comes into play, and they get butt-hurt over it. "Waaahhhh...waaahhhh.... Episode VIII didn't play out the way WE wanted it to! Waaaahhhhhhhh!".

    I was glad that I minimized my exposure to online speculation, and worse, to potential spoilers. It did make the movie a lot more enjoyable for me. Still pales compared to Rogue One, but it was an enjoyable movie.

    Heh....funny story. I got to see TLJ 1 and 1/10 times in the same night.

    I went to go see the IMAX 3D version of this movie. I was already seated at 8:05 for the 8:30 show. Apparently, the projectionist did not pay attention to the pre-show videos that were playing. It was 8:10, and we were already being told on-screen to put on our 3D glasses. I was like...hmmm...this is new. Ok.

    So, regular movie trailers started playing: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, Alita Battle Angel, Alpha, Avengers Infinity War, and a couple of others. Then, the movie begins around 8:15-8:20. So, I settled in, Captain Morgan and Coke in hand, ready to be taken to a galaxy far, far away. The movie started. And then, about 5 minutes into the film, where there is a pretty big explosion, the film pauses, and then stops. Those of us who were already seeing this portion of the film were snickering.

    I even blurted out: "The end! Shortest Star Wars movie....ever!" That got some laughs.

    So, the projectionist had caught what had happened, rolled it back to the trailers, and the movie started on time for all to enjoy.


    So, my personal review.

    As I said, this film was enjoyable, but paled in comparison to Rogue One (which remains my favorite SW movie to date). The action was good when it was kicked in...although, one must wonder about why the Republic was using super slow, extremely vulnerable large bombers instead of the old reliable Y-wings? I mean, they updated the X-wing from the T-65 (Galactic Civil War era) to the T-70. Why not the Y-wings?

    I thought the casino sequence was a bit out of place, like the Carillon sequence in BSG.

    BB-8 was as cute and funny as ever. BB-9E, the First Order BB series droid didn't quite have the emphasis in this movie that certain commercials portrayed it as having.

    One thing that jumped out at me.... did not bother me, but caught me completely by surprise, was the slightly stronger language they used in this movie. Hearing things I never thought I would hear in a Star Wars movie because of George Lucas' personal policy. (No extreme profanity, no graphic violence). Like I said, it didn't bother me in the least. I was surprised and a bit amused. I would be curious to hear what ol' George would think about it, even though he's not really in control of it anymore.

    I thought Mark Hamill did just fine with the take of Luke that he was given. He's even rolled back his criticisms of Rian Johnson (writer/director Episode VIII) regarding Luke's direction in this film. Of course, that could have something to do with the sure to be monster paycheck he got for this.

    I was so glad that Carrie Fisher got to complete this movie before her untimely death. Even Leia surprised me a couple of times with things she said or did in the film. The dedication to her at the end credits was sweet.

    Overall, I don't think Star Wars is in any danger of dying a horrific death that some seem to think is in store now that Lucasfilm is a Disney property. It is possible that Star Wars fatigue can eventually set in with all the spin off movies they're planning, in addition to a new trilogy to be helmed by Rian Johnson. But, such things are supposed to roll out once a year. A Star Wars Story movie one year, a saga movie the next, and then alternating.

    I think a lot of fans begrudged attitudes toward these new episodes is that it takes them well out of the familiar territory of the Galactic Civil War. The classic stormtroopers and star destroyers, the classic X and Y-wings and TIE Fighters, the Death Star, Darth Vader, etc. I think a lot of them were hoping that the Thrawn Trilogy would have been Eps VII, VIII, and IX. Alas, the Thrawn Trilogy was relegated to non-canonical "Legends" status, although Thrawn, Rukh, and The Chimaera (Thrawn's personal star destroyer) are now canon thanks to the animated Star Wars Rebels series. I will say that at least the Thrawn Trilogy maintained the familiarity of the Galactic Civil War while the New Republic was struggling to get on its feet.

    The new episodes of TFA and TLJ just don't quite have that magic, that lightning in a bottle that the Galactic Civil War had. I'm not really impressed with their new Resurgent class star destroyers, or their super ships. The First Order TIE Fighters are alright, as are the Republic's T-70 X-wing updates....but I still like the classics.

    But, as I am wont to do, I roll with the changes, and find the movies to be a lot more enjoyable for my flexibility. And I am glad that there are a great many out there who also enjoyed the latest installment, flaws and all.
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    I enjoyed the Last Jedi. It was by no means a perfect movie. There were a few things that I scratched my head over, but Star Wars physics and real world physics have never really hung out in the same room, maybe passed in the hallway a few times.

    I get why so many people are furious as well, especially about Luke, but I see where Rian Johnson was going and what he was trying to do. I enjoyed Luke's arc. I enjoyed Leia's arc as well, though part of me wished they had swapped her and Holdo at the end.

    I loved the interplay between Kylo Ren and Rey. Adam Driver is great in the role and I can't wait for the conclusion. As a hard core star wars fan since pretty much the beginning this gave me a satisfying story, with a few misteps. I can't wait for Episode IX.
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    I agree with your assessment, Langolas.
    The Last Jedi did feel a bit like Empire Strikes Back in places. And I still feel you can eliminate I-III in the Star Wars saga and still maintain the continuity.
    And I am still hoping they do something with Rey's parentage as I am not sure if Kylo Ren was telling her the truth or deceiving her.
    That part where Luke "survives" all the explosions and then brushing off some of the blasted residue from his shoulder was PRICELESS!
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