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Vanamonde
01-01-2008, 08:29 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html


By Marc Fisher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, December 30, 2007; Page M05

Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.

Commander Taggart
01-01-2008, 08:56 PM
I think the RIAA is putting a gun to its own head with this one. There is no way any judge is going to rule that putting a CD you own on your iPod is illegal.

Actually, I'm kind of glad this is happening. This is just the kind of black eye those guys need.

Forward, Ho! :cool:

BST
01-01-2008, 10:59 PM
I think the RIAA is putting a gun to its own head with this one. There is no way any judge is going to rule that putting a CD you own on your iPod is illegal.

Actually, I'm kind of glad this is happening. This is just the kind of black eye those guys need.

Forward, Ho! :cool:

I agree. The RIAA will probably rue the day that their ill-sighted greed led them down this path. I'm looking forward to the judge's ruling.

Vanamonde
01-02-2008, 01:46 AM
I agree as welll. This is insane. :eek:

Lara
01-02-2008, 10:11 AM
next thing will be playing your CD/download when the neighbours might hear it will be unauthorized public performance. Ban those speakers!!

Fair use is going to be a watershed issue like free speech is.

Cheers,
Lara

Commander Cain
01-02-2008, 01:54 PM
Seems to me its a ridiculous step taken out of desparation. I'm sure it will backfire as it probably should. They can't think of a better way to fight piracy. When the vast majority of the population thinks it ok to take an artist's or company's product without paying for it, and have the technology to do it, that's a tough battle to win.

Langolas
01-02-2008, 09:29 PM
they are pricing themselves out of a business. If a CD was resonably priced more people would buy them. I'll be dead and buried in the cold, cold earth before I pay $17+ for a music cd. Hell, I won't pay $9.99. I barely pay that for DVD's.

Ham Tyler
01-02-2008, 11:31 PM
.....especially since it probably only costs the record companys pennies to make the damn thing to start with.

If they can sell a DVD for a buck, then they can sell a cd for a buck.

Devlyn16
01-03-2008, 02:50 PM
There is no way any judge is going to rule that putting a CD you own on your iPod is illegal.



Have you heard of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals? They're foolish enough to do anything!

Commander Cain
01-03-2008, 03:15 PM
they are pricing themselves out of a business. If a CD was resonably priced more people would buy them. I'll be dead and buried in the cold, cold earth before I pay $17+ for a music cd. Hell, I won't pay $9.99. I barely pay that for DVD's.

I think you have just identified the music industry's problem. If you won't pay 10 bucks for a band's cd, there is nothing they can do. We payed 10 dollars for an album 25 years ago. 1982 Rush Signals was 11 dollars. I skipped school lunch for 2 weeks to pay for it. We are paying for the artist's work, not the 30 cent cd.

Commander Taggart
01-03-2008, 03:39 PM
I'll happily pay $10 for an album digital download. I won't pay the $7.00 for the jewel case, shrink wrap, and store window display, etc.

Right now, iTunes is a major convenience for me... and if the major bands can make direct deals with iTunes so that they get more dough per track, fine with me.

I don't mind paying for an artist's work... but there is no need to pay for fancy packaging in this day and age.

Commander Cain
01-03-2008, 04:04 PM
I don't disagree. I-tunes is a good alternative. The artist gets paid. All the fancy wrapping is the company's attempt to give the consumer something else for the money. Something a download doesn't get you. I doubt it adds much to the price. The price is a response(maybe misguided) to dwindling sales due to piracy. Current prices are probably adding to their problem, encouraging piracy.

Rush put out an album in 2002. The band was very vocal, for them, regarding pirated downloads. There were over 400,000 pirated downloads of their first single and album. By traditional methods, it was estimated it curbed sales of their album by 250,000. That is why cds cost 17 dollars. Although I've never paid more than 14.99 for a new cd. Where do you guys buy your music? 10$ in 1982, 15-17$ in 2007. I'm missing the problem I guess.

Commander Taggart
01-03-2008, 05:09 PM
Digital downloads of musical tracks are affordable enough nowadays, I'm surprised piracy is still such a big concern. I mean, I go to iTunes, spend a buck (I didn't even mind $1.30 for the "plus" tunes), I get the song I want instantly, and I can be sure of the quality.

Pirating takes a lot more time in searching, downloading, and you may or may not end up with the song, and the quality may or may not suck.

Record labels may gripe about iTunes strongarm pricing practices, but I think they've helped stem the tide of piracy.

Malkyte2
01-03-2008, 05:15 PM
I seem to recall a legal case against the record industries, back in the 90s I think, where it was ruled that they were price gouging and were told to pay restitution in forms of lowering their prices. They kept promising this, yet I never saw it take place. It seems that that little judgement also quietly disapeared.

Also, many soundtracks never made it to lower pricing. I know because I use to buy quite a few back then. I have stopped since, with the exception of the rare occasional buy. Then there was the fact that there was a lot of crap out there for a while. A CD would have one or two goods songs and the rest was crap. That was hard to justify spending $15 on two, maybe three songs. If you wanted to buy the single, it was still $3 to $4, because they threw in a bunch of crappy filler extras.

And when prices went up instead of down, more and more people turned to "other" ways of getting their music fix. Even with all of that, they're still very slow to change their ways.

They have made just about every bad move one can think of.

Frankly, the music industry has only its greedy selves to blame. And its hard to feel sorry for the loss in their profits when they are still buying their sixth custom car or their third mansion at millions a piece. And how many stories have there been about how artists get screwed out of the majority of the profits from THEIR work?

Nah, I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for them, and the more they keep trying their strong arm tactics, the more people they lose in their corner.




Malkyte

Commander Cain
01-03-2008, 05:37 PM
They have made just about every bad move one can think of.

Frankly, the music industry has only its greedy selves to blame. And its hard to feel sorry for the loss in their profits when they are still buying their sixth custom car or their third mansion at millions a piece. And how many stories have there been about how artists get screwed out of the majority of the profits from THEIR work?

Nah, I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for them, and the more they keep trying their strong arm tactics, the more people they lose in their corner.




Malkyte


I agree. Re-reading my posts I appear to be carrying the music industry's water. That was never my intent. I'm complaining about piracy. That is where it all started and does continue. The industry completely failed in response at every turn and in many ways have gotten what they deserved.
I can't count how many people I know who's attitude is "I'm not paying that price, its a rip-off. I can download it for free."

Free? The same could be said for gasoline. You can get gas for free too, but its called stealing. They just look at me blankly like it either never occurred to them or that I am completely insane.

Darth Marley
01-03-2008, 06:02 PM
Gasoline is not "intellectual property" though.

Whether you steal gas, or pay for it, when you use it, it is gone.

The idea that a "creator" owns a song, novel, etc forever -1 day is absurd to me.

Commander Taggart
01-05-2008, 05:11 AM
From National Public Radio (http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/01/rip_this_and_sue_that.html)...


Tell me this isn't confusing... Marc Fisher writes in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/28/AR2007122800693.html) that the recording industry is suing an Arizona man for copying a CD he bought LEGALLY to his own computer. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) comes right out and says, no we're not (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839170-7.html?tag=nefd.top)! If you've ever put a CD into your computer, this is a case you want to pay attention to. And the only way to get to the bottom of things is to go right to the source. What lead to Marc Fisher's arguments? We'll ask him. What is the RIAA's position on ripping your own CDs? Will they sue you for dumping a CD to your iPod? We'll ask Cary Sherman, the President of the RIAA.

Answer: No.

BST
01-05-2008, 01:11 PM
I have a feeling that what we're seeing is the beginning of the end of bricks-and-mortar retail music industry. The fact that music and movies can be downloaded and with superior production quality indicates that the next level has been achieved and that a low-cost distribution alternative is now available.

I don't think that this will happen overnight but, would venture to say that stand-alone music and movie stores will be gone within 10 years.


What you'll likely have is multiple online "stores" offering songs, "albums", etc, available for download @ a specified price. (The price should be lower than it is currently since there will be very little if nothing in the way of distribution costs but, that may require the intervention of Congress, in order to have it codified.) I realize that we already have online stores operating now but, they are a method for those with computers and the ability to download music. In the future, they will be the ONLY method for obtaining music and movies.....and who knows, maybe even hardcover/softcover books are viewing their own eventual demise as this music issue plays out.


I would envision a lot of "hell" over this issue but, in the end, I think that the bricks-and-mortar music distribution network is on its way out, following the path of full-service gas stations. It will probably be better for all concerned but, getting there is the contentious part, just like the gas stations. We all felt sorry for the gas pump attendant who lost his/her job when the stations went self-serve but, we loved getting in and out faster.....the ability to use a debit/credit card at the pump just made it that much better. The key is that an equitable settlement is negotiated for all involved -- the artist, the distributor, and the end customer. If that can be achieved, all should be satisfied.

necron2.0
01-15-2008, 09:07 AM
I have a feeling that what we're seeing is the beginning of the end of bricks-and-mortar retail music industry. The fact that music and movies can be downloaded and with superior production quality indicates that the next level has been achieved and that a low-cost distribution alternative is now available.

I'd have to agree. I haven't purchased a "hard copy" of music in years. I only buy downloads, and then I usually just buy the individual songs I want, and then burn my own CD's. And no jackass in a suit is going to stop me.