TNS Out-take: Raider Craps on Deck

[dru]

I don't even know where to go with this:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/107/deleted1.html

:shock:

[necron2.0]

Poopy jokes are the hallmark of a juvenile mind. Personally, I find it very telling.

:roll:

[RGrant]

I guess they figured there was already enough bathroom humor in that episode. But the fans seemed to love that humor, along with the ridiculously unfunny "No more Mr. Nice Gauis" pun. The poop joke would have been considered a classic.

Well, the ship is a biologic. So, it'd have to "go" somewhere. *shrugs*


Tibbetts

[Ultra agent404]

Is there a Windows media version of that somewhere? I really want to see it, looks funny as hell.

[Conner]

Seems like turds would make the Cylons easy to track. I wonder if they ever crap themselves in battle.

Languatron will want to know if Cylon turds clog the hot tub filters at the Antigalactica Ranch. Also brings new meaning to Ron Moore's Crapfest.

[Gemini1999]

O - kay.....

Well, there's no question of why that scene was cut.... I guess that the question is, with only 42 minutes to tell the story, they took up one whole minute to show that a Raider has a "poop chute" why did they bother? what a waste of film...

What a bunch of shite - pun intended!

[HubcapDave]

So this is what we're reduced to: Ragging on deleted scenes.



Pathetic. :roll:

O - kay.....

Well, there's no question of why that scene was cut.... I guess that the question is, with only 42 minutes to tell the story, they took up one whole minute to show that a Raider has a "poop chute" why did they bother? what a waste of film...

What a bunch of shite - pun intended!

Watch it again, Lee Adama was trying to get Colonel Tigh to go give Thrace a pep-talk. It just so happened that the ship took a crap at the same time. :)


Tibbetts

So this is what we're reduced to: Ragging on deleted scenes.



Pathetic. :roll:

Indeed.


Tibbetts

[necron2.0]

No, we're ragging on scenes any adult dedicated to "gritty realism" would have had the good sense never to have written in the first place, and certainly wouldn't have wasted the money to film.
:roll:

Like I said, it's very telling, both of the writer, and of those who defend him.

No, we're ragging on scenes any adult dedicated to "gritty realism" would have had the go sense never to have written in the first place, and certainly wouldn't have wasted the money to film.
:roll:

Like I said, it's very telling, both of the writer, and of those who defend him.

LOL... The stupid shit some will complain about. :lol: Can't please everyone. ;)


Tibbetts

[necron2.0]

You're right. Ron's "vision" is stupid shit. Thanks for admitting it.

:wink:

LOL... Whatever dude. :lol:


Tibbetts

[Gemini1999]

So this is what we're reduced to: Ragging on deleted scenes.

Pathetic. :roll:

Dave -

Hey, I watch the show, I was just saying that I'm glad they cut it out I was voicing my opnion regarding the cut scene. This is Cylon Alliance, you know, I am allowed to speak what's on my mind and your allowed to disagree with it.

As far as being "pathetic" or implying that my post was a waste of time to begin with, it isn't any more of a waste of time to post what I did as it was when you posted your thoughts regarding someone else's post.

At least my post had to do with the topic at hand and not what someone else said.

If you don't like the subject matter or the criticisms being made, come up with something more elevating than what's being discussed.

[HubcapDave]

Q.E.D.

Edit, not to Gemini's post, but to necron's witty banter with Tibbets.

"Q.E.D."? What's that?


Tibbetts

[Bishop37]

I don't know about QED, but looks like we've got a few WOTW in this thread.

Oh? How so?


Tibbetts

[Commander Cain]

No, we're ragging on scenes any adult dedicated to "gritty realism" would have had the good sense never to have written in the first place, and certainly wouldn't have wasted the money to film.
:roll:

Like I said, it's very telling, both of the writer, and of those who defend him.

Poop can be gritty. Trust me. :D But I never saw a mouth on that brain thing. Grit in... grit out etc. It all lacks a certain realism. I guess I'm saying that it may be gritty, but it isn't real. :?

[HubcapDave]

"Q.E.D."? What's that?


Tibbetts

It's short for a Latin phrase quod erat demonstratum which translates as "which was to be demonstrated".

In other words, it's pointing out how someone's actions proves the point I was trying to make.

[Alternity Orange]

I find it very amusing that those who portend the moral high ground and put forth again and again that Moore's show is good and quite sophisticated as opposed to the original and other genre tv are doing so here in the context of defending a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit.

Grand reinvention of science fiction indeed.

[Martok2112]

Heh...don't know...don't care...

If I was a Cylon Raider with ...umm...bodily functions....I would probably take a dump whereever I wished too. :D Especially if it was on my enemy's last (supposedly) surviving warship.

In all seriousness though, I must admit that was probably something that would be best left in the shadows.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Ultra agent404]

If I were the raider I would wait for Boxey to come under me and take a peek. Then I would dump it all out.

[Martok2112]

Heh...a Cylon Raider could be Triumph the Insult Comic Dog's Flagship. :D

Nothing says "biological" like a big steaming pile of POOP! :D

And no...new Battlestar Galactica is not "biological" :D

Irreverently,
Martok2112

[jewels]

I find it very amusing that those who portend the moral high ground and put forth again and again that Moore's show is good and quite sophisticated as opposed to the original and other genre tv are doing so here in the context of defending a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit.

Grand reinvention of science fiction indeed.Really stupid scene. That's about all there is to say about it. At least in TOS they "lost" or didn't shoot the footage when it was such a dumb idea that they knew it didn't work to show. :roll:

AO, you are right about it being amusing though.

[Martok2112]

And after watching the scene, I found it OMG hilarious!...although the humor did kinda throw the conversation between Tigh and Apollo off-kilter a little bit. Callie's reaction was priceless.

ROFLMAO!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[HubcapDave]

I find it very amusing that those who portend the moral high ground and put forth again and again that Moore's show is good and quite sophisticated as opposed to the original and other genre tv are doing so here in the context of defending a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit.

Grand reinvention of science fiction indeed.

And notice how they cut the scene from the episode! What depths one must go to bash TNS.

And who is putting out that not only is the shwo good, it is superior to TOS or other genre programming? I know I'm not. I don't think Tibbs does. I can't recall anyone els edoing so here (maybe at scifi). I think you are being a bit presumptous.

[HubcapDave]

I find it very amusing that those who portend the moral high ground and put forth again and again that Moore's show is good and quite sophisticated as opposed to the original and other genre tv are doing so here in the context of defending a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit.

Grand reinvention of science fiction indeed.Really stupid scene. That's about all there is to say about it. At least in TOS they "lost" or didn't shoot the footage when it was such a dumb idea that they knew it didn't work to show. :roll:

AO, you are right about it being amusing though.

Again, I must point out it was cut from the episode.

[Alternity Orange]

Again, I must point out it was cut from the episode.

Yes, it was and deservedly so because it is so ridiculously silly. Thousands of dollars were likely spent planning and shooting a scene in which a spaceship takes a shit. If that's not worth taking jabs at and making fun of I can't imagine what is. Yet you as the more sophisticated viewer (at least that's how your post reads) were calling the act "pathetic." What depths one must go to to defend TNS.

So again I must point out you were defending a scene in which a spaceship takes a shit.

[HubcapDave]

No, I am not defending the scene. I can give a rat's ass about the scene. It doesn't bother me one way or another.

I find it pathetic that people seem to need to bash the entirety of the show, using a stupid deleted scene! Your post is a prime example "Grand reinvention of Science Fiction indeed". You're taking this scene and using it to comment on the overall quality of the show. How fucking stupid is that?

[dru]

And notice how they cut the scene from the episode! What depths one must go to bash TNS.

And who is putting out that not only is the shwo good, it is superior to TOS or other genre programming? I know I'm not. I don't think Tibbs does. I can't recall anyone els edoing so here (maybe at scifi). I think you are being a bit presumptous.

Skiffy promos, critics, fanboys. Ron Moore by the very virtue of the reimagining. Do I need to go on?

You keep going on that this was CUT and therefore there's no reason to criticize this. Um... this kind of scene did not warrant the cost and mental effort to write it, film it. This wasn't so off-color private joke tossed between Ron & David, this actually went to script and to film. Sci-Fi posted it online themselves. It's fully fair game when considering TNS. The only thing they didn't do is include it in the broadcast cut!

Really, we're in the realm of bullshit with this biological machine. Kara ripped out some amount of this biological entity, not knowing the purpose. Then she steals its OXYGEN supply. And we're supposed to believe it's still alive? :roll:

Did you notice the ONLY episode not to have any deleted scene up on Skiffy's site? It's the one with Hatch. I found that curious.

It's telling Skiffy decided to post this deleted scene to their website. It'll be interesting to see if the DVD set includes it.

Lastly, since we later learn the TNS Basestar is also biological... well, watch out for those asteroids!

[Alternity Orange]

Dave I didn't originally comment on the scene at all, nor would I have as I too couldn't give a rat's ass about it.

However, once I thought about it after reading your post I did think it's certainly worthy of being made fun of. But you, who seem to need to defend the entirety of the show, used a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit to make the often used argument that those who bash are pathetic, or whatever variation thereof is currently being used. And that's pretty fucking stupid.

[Darth Marley]

Did they ever show Moia taking a shit on Farscape?

[Alternity Orange]

I didn't watch the show enough to know. I do know that the living ship on Lexx was shown to excrete substances on many occasions, always intended to be ridiculous. But the producers of Lexx never claimed that they were producing grim and gritty realistic science fiction. They never claimed to be reinventing the genre. And that's really what this boils down to. When you make such grandiose claims, when you set the bar that high yourself, and then, for example, film a scene in which a hole in a spaceship is plugged by a rolled up jacket, you should expect to be called on it. And people shouldn't get so bent out of shape when others do call them on it.

[Darth Marley]

I was just thinking about Lexx while coming back to the thread.

I have no illusions about it. Some people are going to delight in finding fault with the new series.

[HubcapDave]

AO, I have been constant in my derision for people who are disingenuous in their criticism of the show.


Using a deleted scene to make a comment on the quality of the entire series certainly qualifies as disingenuous.

And I reject the notion that I am an outright apologist for TNS.

[Alternity Orange]

Well, I don't think calling a spade a spade is disingenous. A spaceship taking a shit is pretty stupid no matter how you look at it. You used the derision of said scene to make a blanket comment on all criticism so I felt the need to turn it around 180 degrees using the same method. Nothing new, we'll all be having these circular debates as long as the show is on.

[Darth Marley]

Seems reasonable that a living ship would need to shit, I don't think that is stupid.

Even the space shuttle unloads a few special parcels on occasion.

Here is to more crapping ships in season 2!

[Conner]

Nobody objected when they showed the other Cylon, Number 6, taking a dump in this episode. Maybe they'll include this scene on the director's cut DVD. Or the Mystery Science Theater 3000 version.

There are those who will always attack Ron Moore as being full of shit. Then there are those who will always defend Ron Moore, even when he creates shit.

This whole topic makes me think of what David Kemper saying that Bonnie Hammer wanted more "South Park" type of humor injected into Farscape. Maybe this is something they tried and then common sense ruled.

Go figure.

[Darth Marley]

"Mom,...if you were in a German scheise film, you'd tell me, wouldn't you?"

[crash4587]

"Mom,...if you were in a German scheise film, you'd tell me, wouldn't you?""Screw you guy's!, I'm going home"

[necron2.0]

And I reject the notion that I am an outright apologist for TNS.

"Ah, denial. It's not just a river in Egypt anymore, is it?"

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/smiley_abzw.gif

I have no illusions about it. Some people are going to delight in finding fault with the new series.

Indeed. And some people - not you, Darth, you've always been classy about this - went out of their way to delight in ridiculing TOS. I understand when folks want to return the favor.

In fact, it makes me giggle. A lot.

Popcorn, anyone?

My side lost. But I ain't forgetting.

[fletch2]

Did they ever show Moia taking a shit on Farscape?

No it all collects in a tank at the bottom of the main column and is used as a temporary patch to seal leaks in the hull.

Quite aside from anything else any "waste" material produced by the ship would have to be replaced with fresh biomass (ie it would have to eat) meaning that these raiders need both food and air to operate greatly reducing their range compared to a pure HW solution.

These are the dumb repercussions of needing to give Kira air in the previous episode.

[jewels]

Did they ever show Moia taking a shit on Farscape?

Moya had a baby: that was quite something!

[jewels]

Indeed. And some people - not you, Darth, you've always been classy about this - went out of their way to delight in ridiculing TOS. I understand when folks want to return the favor.

In fact, it makes me giggle. A lot.

Popcorn, anyone?

My side lost. But I ain't forgetting.
or to quote another piece of great sci-fi:
"Might have been the losing side. Doesn't mean it was the wrong side." Malcom Reynolds, Firefly

"Q.E.D."? What's that?


Tibbetts

It's short for a Latin phrase quod erat demonstratum which translates as "which was to be demonstrated".

In other words, it's pointing out how someone's actions proves the point I was trying to make.

Oh! I see. Thanks for explaining. i'll have to remember that. :)


Tibbetts

I find it very amusing that those who portend the moral high ground and put forth again and again that Moore's show is good and quite sophisticated as opposed to the original and other genre tv are doing so here in the context of defending a scene in which a spacehip takes a shit.

Grand reinvention of science fiction indeed.

Wasn't this scene cut? Wasn't even in the episode, right? So why are people bitching about it? :shock:



Tibbetts

Ron also answered two questions on why he had the washroom (ahem - head) scenes in Six Degrees. Clearly a fixation (and a sense of humor)

[Alternity Orange]

Wasn't this scene cut? Wasn't even in the episode, right? So why are people bitching about it? :shock:

And to turn that around using the exact same rationale, why are people defending it? :shock:

[Darth Marley]

I would love to have the scene in the episode.

People complain because they think it is stupid.
For myself, I think it is hilarious.

Wasn't this scene cut? Wasn't even in the episode, right? So why are people bitching about it? :shock:

And to turn that around using the exact same rationale, why are people defending it? :shock:

I'm not. I was only wondering why people were bitching about a scene cut before it even aired?

Tibbetts

[Warrior]

Why was money wasted on filming it?

[Cavalier]

Lastly, since we later learn the TNS Basestar is also biological... well, watch out for those asteroids!


Those weren't nukes they were bombing the colonies with! :lol:

I have no illusions about it. Some people are going to delight in finding fault with the new series.

Indeed. And some people - not you, Darth, you've always been classy about this - went out of their way to delight in ridiculing TOS. I understand when folks want to return the favor.

In fact, it makes me giggle. A lot.

Popcorn, anyone?

My side lost. But I ain't forgetting.

Yep, so true! I was just thinking about the pure hypocrisy of some on the other side, who had been bashing TOS to great lengths for its lack of believability. Yet, now these same people (I am not picking out anyone in particular), bend over backwards trying to come up with plausible explanations for obvious plot holes and rather unbelievable scenarios. Its quite sad, but amusing at the same time!

And no, I don't have to pick on a stupid deleted scene, when I can pick on the complete aired episode of Six Degrees of Seperation.

It should have been seperated to the sixth degree alright!!! It really just baffles me to no end, how some people want this thing to succeed so badly that they are blind to the fact that Moore is just stringing them along. If that's your thing, then more power to you all!

But this show is nothing more then melodrama in scifi clothing with a bunch of questions, but no answers. Moore's stringing the audience along for as long as he can. One of the oldest tricks in the book. Its also, one of the weakest. The problem is, the longer he keeps things unanswered and allows the audience to fill in the blanks, the greater the chance of his "solution", when he finally gets to it (maybe), to be a let down.

It amazes me, that no one, even some 20 days after the destruction, questions Baltar's sanity. He's been caught numerous times, talking to thin air, and yet no one seems to mind. And he was about as funny as Jar Jar Binks is in Star Wars. Annoying to the sixth degree is more like it.

No one after 20 days, has yet to break down or wonder whatever happened to loved ones. Some have suggested that maybe it will take some time for the shock to set in. Well, you would think that some have broken already. Yet nothing.

Also, let me get this straight... The CHIEF engineer, who knows every little thing about everything mechanical on the Galactica, including how to make moonshine, but cannot figure out the Cylon ship, without Starbuck's presence. Gotcha! How convenient! :wink:

Oh, yeah, and how about the good ol' Doc, smoking away by the bedside of a patient. Yeah, I see that all the time in a hospital! Boy, the realism, just doesn't get any better then this!!! With the realistic depiction of discipline displayed on this military ship, I might consider joining the military myself! I mean, you can, threaten your superior officer, on the bridge no less, in front of everyone else, you can hit a superior officer, you can smoke on duty as a med and hey, you can lie through your teeth
and get off scotts free!

And then there is the now I'm here, now I'm not, sexy blonde. Its amazing that after the suicide bomber, security fiasco and the knowledge of human looking Cylons among the populous, a virtual unknown is allowed into, probably the most sensative part of the ship in a matter of hours! Yep, reality at its finest!

Oh, and if Moore does take this to some "Godly" interaction, he will yet have broken another one of his very outspoken no no's. But hey, whose counting!

Malkyte

[Westy]

I thought it was a riot! They should have left it in. Hopefully in the DVD of the first season series, they'll put all this shit back in :)....where it belongs....I hope they get their shit together with this new series! You know what you end up with when you get all your shit together? I big pile of...shit.

As far as bitching about stuffgoes, go ahead and bitch! If you ever stopped pulling things like this out to bitch about, I wouldn't have seen it. So thanks CA!

I think citing a deleted scene to attack a show is grasping at straws. A show can only be judged by what is put on air. Many shows have crap scenes (pun not really intended :) ) that are deleted.

I'm not defending the scene, but the concept could make sense. A fighter isn't a long range ship (despite it's jump capability). It's meant to operate out of a Basestar. The less mass it has the easier it is to manoever, so it does make sense to dump any processed biomatter the pilot has no further use for. The situation is different for a larger ship such as Moya in Farscape which more needs to recycle efficiently than a fighter ship.

Actually the concept made more sense in the mini, when it was assumed they were robot drones. Why waste a life when you can use a robot to do the same job. But because he had to give Kara a way to escape, the drones are suddenly organic.

For a supposedly robot species, they are a lot more organic.

:roll:

[Bishop37]

I swore I wouldn't talk about this, but a few things come to mind.

I said at the time of seeing this that if it's a living creature, then someone's got to feed, water and clean up after it.

The Cylon blob/biomass whatever you want to call it is like a Dalek, in that it uses a mechanical exo-skeleton/aegis suit to get around.

Presumably the Cylons, whatever they are now, must clone/grow these things and learn/programme them to fly - which seems very labour intensive to the alternative of just using a flying robot hunter/killer.

As we've seen from the clip, the biologicalness of the ship is addressed in a throway fashion, what isn't from the original ep is why it didn't die after Thrace cut out its "eye", cut its side open and exposed it briefly to the alien atmosphere of the moon it had crash landed on.

I'm not sure why detractors of the new show are attacking this deleted scene as "a waste of money." What do they care about the financial efficiency of the show that they hate? They should be praising this scene for eating up resources that could have been better spent elsewhere.

I'd have to agree, the people going on about this deleted scene are grasping at straws. They're having a great deal of difficulty adapting to the fact that the new show a) Hasn't fallen on its face despite all their prognostications that it would, and b) has effectively take over the Galactica franchise, thus ending any real possibility of a continuation.

Personally, I would have loved to see a continuation. But if I can only have one, I'll go with this one.

[Langolas]

I'd have to agree, the people going on about this deleted scene are grasping at straws. They're having a great deal of difficulty adapting to the fact that the new show a) Hasn't fallen on its face despite all their prognostications that it would, and b) has effectively take over the Galactica franchise, thus ending any real possibility of a continuation.


Being a fan of TNS AND TOS, I disagree with B. I don't see it as taking over the Galactica Franshise, not fully. There are still the Hatch novels, the DVDs, plus other things. I see it as a spinoff franchise, moving itselft appart from TOS, but no matter how hard it tries will not replace it. TOS fans will rightly see to that.

[Callipygian]

I found the squishy realism to be funny. But as I've said before, I don't care about the discrepancies, impossibilities or other issues with the realism. I watch shows for entertainment, and I'm entertained by TNS. It's far from perfect, but so are the other shows I enjoy. I just can't get worked up about dissing or defending it. I find some of the dissing and criticism here to be funny. I can still laugh at it, while I enjoy watching it, but hey, that's just me.

[Alternity Orange]

No one criticising this scene in this thread is "grasping at straws." I fully admit that I have seen some go to great lengths to attack the show, but this is not an example of that.

It is a scene in which a spaceship takes a shit.

I've also seen people go to great lengths in defending the show, this is an example of that.

It is a scene in which a spaceship takes a shit.

Why was money wasted on filming it?

There are many shows and movies that have scenes cut before they air or go to theatres. What's the difference?

Oh, I see, it's only because this is Battlestar Galactica. ;) Gotcha. :roll:


Tibbetts

[Gemini1999]

The one thing about this thread...

Someone posted a bit of visual information. The people that said negative things about it are told that such comment isn't necessary.

There are other people saying that they think it's great and that the detractors should mind their own business, but defending such a scene is supposedly wrong as well.

This is a discussion board, isn't it? If someone posts something and you're not allowed to make negative or positive comments, what's the point of posting it, or discussing it?

Just a thought...

Bryan

Actually the concept made more sense in the mini, when it was assumed they were robot drones. Why waste a life when you can use a robot to do the same job. But because he had to give Kara a way to escape, the drones are suddenly organic.

For a supposedly robot species, they are a lot more organic.

:roll:

The Cylons seem to want to be more Human. That's probably why they're trying to procreate. So, having their fighters be biologics, isn't that much of a stretch.

To me, anywho.


Tibbetts

I'd have to agree, the people going on about this deleted scene are grasping at straws. They're having a great deal of difficulty adapting to the fact that the new show a) Hasn't fallen on its face despite all their prognostications that it would, and b) has effectively take over the Galactica franchise, thus ending any real possibility of a continuation.


Being a fan of TNS AND TOS, I disagree with B. I don't see it as taking over the Galactica Franshise, not fully. There are still the Hatch novels, the DVDs, plus other things. I see it as a spinoff franchise, moving itselft appart from TOS, but no matter how hard it tries will not replace it. TOS fans will rightly see to that.

I agree with Langolas.


Tibbetts

I found the squishy realism to be funny. But as I've said before, I don't care about the discrepancies, impossibilities or other issues with the realism. I watch shows for entertainment, and I'm entertained by TNS. It's far from perfect, but so are the other shows I enjoy. I just can't get worked up about dissing or defending it. I find some of the dissing and criticism here to be funny. I can still laugh at it, while I enjoy watching it, but hey, that's just me.

I laughed my ass off when I saw it. It was the stupidest thing I had seen in a show for a while. But, it was funny. I loved look on Callys, Tighs, and Lee Adama's face when it happened. :lol: That was priceless. Plus the Chief in still in the cylon ship. :D


Tibbetts

[Langolas]

Actually the concept made more sense in the mini, when it was assumed they were robot drones. Why waste a life when you can use a robot to do the same job. But because he had to give Kara a way to escape, the drones are suddenly organic.

For a supposedly robot species, they are a lot more organic.

:roll:

The Cylons seem to want to be more Human. That's probably why they're trying to procreate. So, having their fighters be biologics, isn't that much of a stretch.

To me, anywho.


Tibbetts

Careful LAT, you'll be accused of overly defending TNS ;)

[Conner]

Shitting space ships are bound to draw comments. I think it's funny but others are entitled to their opinions. What bothers me is the idea that we can't discuss, ridicule, or laugh about it. This is the only place where any criticism of TNS is allowed. If you don't like criticism of TNS there are many other places to go.

Maybe we should start a special 'happy parade' section for TNS where criticism or poking fun at TNS is not allowed. :P

The Cylons seem to want to be more Human. That's probably why they're trying to procreate. So, having their fighters be biologics, isn't that much of a stretch.

To me, anywho.


Tibbetts

Careful LAT, you'll be accused of overly defending TNS ;)

Whoops! Wouldn't want that now would we? ;) hehehehe.....


Tibbetts

[Callipygian]

Maybe we should start a special 'happy parade' section for TNS where criticism or poking fun at TNS is not allowed. :P
No, no, no. Don't do that. The back and forth volley is very amusing.

[Warrior]

Why was money wasted on filming it?

There are many shows and movies that have scenes cut before they air or go to theatres. What's the difference?


Tibbetts

I've never heard of any other show filming a ship shitting, so if you can point them out...

[Bishop37]

What bothers me is the idea that we can't discuss, ridicule, or laugh about it. This is the only place where any criticism of TNS is allowed. If you don't like criticism of TNS there are many other places to go.

We will discuss it, just like fires in space, guns on ice planets, and putting shuttles in to a "dive" in a zero gravity environment. ;)

Anyone who's got a problem with that can join www.scifisycophantsrus.com, better still I'll cancel their membership of CA!


Maybe we should start a special 'happy parade' section for TNS where criticism or poking fun at TNS is not allowed. :P

Yeah, and maybe one day you're going to slice your schlong and boys off with a rusty knife!

Ain't gonna happen!

Peter

[Gemini1999]

Yeah, and maybe one day you're going to slice your schlong and boys off with a rusty knife!

Ain't gonna happen!

Peter

Peter -

Too right! Nobody goes near my meat and two veg with a sharp knife....

Best,
Bryan

We will discuss it, just like fires in space, guns on ice planets, and putting shuttles in to a "dive" in a zero gravity environment. ;)

I think the record for this has to go to Wing Commander.

There's one scene where there's a crashed star fighter on the deck of the carrier floating out in space.

So they clear the deck by bulldozing the fighter to the edge. . . and it FALLS OFF!!

I laughed by ass off!

On the other hand, this movie does get credit for the 360 degree camera shot that the Matrix made famous.

[Langolas]

I think the record for this has to go to Wing Commander.

There's one scene where there's a crashed star fighter on the deck of the carrier floating out in space.

So they clear the deck by bulldozing the fighter to the edge. . . and it FALLS OFF!!

I laughed by ass off!

On the other hand, this movie does get credit for the 360 degree camera shot that the Matrix made famous.

Thanks, I've been doing my best to forget that movie and here you go bringing it up again ;)

Or how about the Omage to Das Boot where Jurgen Prochnow is having everyone being quiet on a starship in the middle of a vacuum? ;)

[RGrant]

This is the reason I first signed up at an Internet message board. Or at least I had a vague hope somewhere in the back of my mind that someday I would be lucky enough to witness a discussion on shitting space ships.

Whether it's a deleted scene or they use it every week in the opening credits means nothing. The fact is someone conceived, wrote and filmed a scene featuring a shitting space ship. And not for a comedy. For a drama. A gritty, realistic drama.

It doesn't get much funnier than this, whether the fun is genuine, as in the case of TNS fans, or ironic, in the case of TOS fans.

A shitting space ship.

A Shit Ship.

And it's funny, again, how not one TNS fan has ever been big enough to just admit that one teensie weensie part of their show is stupid. TOS fans will be the first to deride Hector and Vector, or disco-singing aliens, or rope dancing. But I've yet to see one TNS fan do the same for their show. I think if one or two of them were big enough to admit the show isn't perfect, it could go a ways in healing some of the conflict.

But then again conflict is what the majority of posters seem to want.

[Langolas]

Fair enough.

I, being a TNS, do admit that the show is not perfect. I personally could have done without the Litmas episode, it pretty much served the purpose of showing the survivors that the cylons now could appear human and that anyone coudl be one. It also had a Drumhead style witch hunt. It's my least favorite episode thus far.

I'm still iffy on the whole Caprica thing, at least it is slowly picking up steam, we'll see where it goes with that.

I wonder if Baltar knows that cylons backs glow when having sex. I could see him setting up a station to do as many women doggy style just to see if they are a cylon ;)

If that has already been posted before then I do appologize for recapping it ;)

[Bishop37]

Don't you go dissing Hector and Vector now Mr Grant. I could make that a bannable offence!

Peter

P.S. A well made point though Ray.

[Conner]

Yeah, and maybe one day you're going to slice your schlong and boys off with a rusty knife!

Ain't gonna happen!

:D This is the CA I know and love. I was afraid we were turning into a weeping, girly man site.

[Martok2112]

This is the reason I first signed up at an Internet message board. Or at least I had a vague hope somewhere in the back of my mind that someday I would be lucky enough to witness a discussion on shitting space ships.

Whether it's a deleted scene or they use it every week in the opening credits means nothing. The fact is someone conceived, wrote and filmed a scene featuring a shitting space ship. And not for a comedy. For a drama. A gritty, realistic drama.

It doesn't get much funnier than this, whether the fun is genuine, as in the case of TNS fans, or ironic, in the case of TOS fans.

A shitting space ship.

A Shit Ship.

And it's funny, again, how not one TNS fan has ever been big enough to just admit that one teensie weensie part of their show is stupid. TOS fans will be the first to deride Hector and Vector, or disco-singing aliens, or rope dancing. But I've yet to see one TNS fan do the same for their show. I think if one or two of them were big enough to admit the show isn't perfect, it could go a ways in healing some of the conflict.

But then again conflict is what the majority of posters seem to want.


The new show is not perfect by any means.

I am glad they did not air that particular part of the episode. So they filmed it, wrote it , and shot it. Ok. Jeezus.

There....I am a fan of TNS, and I have long since admitted that the new show is FAR from perfect. What show is perfect?



Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Callipygian]

And it's funny, again, how not one TNS fan has ever been big enough to just admit that one teensie weensie part of their show is stupid. TOS fans will be the first to deride Hector and Vector, or disco-singing aliens, or rope dancing. But I've yet to see one TNS fan do the same for their show. I think if one or two of them were big enough to admit the show isn't perfect, it could go a ways in healing some of the conflict.
I guess you completely missed my post above where I say "it's far from perfect". Yes, I'm a fan of TNS, and yes, I have admitted numerous times that there are problems with the show but that I enjoy it despite the problems.

[RGrant]

Thanks, Langolas. I never thought I'd see it. Until now, I thought of TNS fans as robots programmed to defend and cheerlead their show in the face of any criticism, no matter how valid. You just put a human face on the TNS crowd for me. Thanks.

Callipy, yes I did completely miss your post, but there's a difference between saying "less than perfect" and specifically pointing out one stupid or ridiculous element to a show. TOS fans often admit their show is not perfect AND go into detail about it. But that's a small point. "Less than perfect" is a good first step, and even that takes a certain amount of honesty that most don't have. Thanks to you, too.

[Martok2112]

Nothing would make me happier than to see the conflicts about TOS and TNS Battlestar Galactica end...but as with any sci-fi show that has multiple incarnations, there is always going to be conflict, because sci-fi fans are fickle, and varied...with different tastes.

As long as there is the new Battlestar Galactica, many TOS Traditionalists are NOT going to be happy. A sad statement, but an immutable truth nonetheless.

Neither show is perfect. They both have flaws, but they are also fun romps to watch.

Again, for me though, it is a great time to be a Battlestar Galactica fan, because now (especially when I hit New Orleans) I will have two Battlestars Galactica to watch. (Look out boxed set...here I come!) :D

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Langolas]

Thanks, Langolas. I never thought I'd see it. Until now, I thought of TNS fans as robots programmed to defend and cheerlead their show in the face of any criticism, no matter how valid. You just put a human face on the TNS crowd for me. Thanks.

Well, don't use my face, you should use someone who's either more pretty or handsome ;)

[Martok2112]

Thanks, Langolas. I never thought I'd see it. Until now, I thought of TNS fans as robots programmed to defend and cheerlead their show in the face of any criticism, no matter how valid. You just put a human face on the TNS crowd for me. Thanks.

Prejudice. It's a beautiful thing, isn't it.

[RGrant]

Depends on what you're trying to say, Martock. If you're implying I'm prejudiced because I see people acting certain ways, then call it prejudice if you like. I'll call it honesty. I think prejudice is when you define people by false perceptions. My perceptions were completely true. To me, and probably to others. But now, as I said, those perceptions are changing, which is good.

I am, however, prejudiced against you from now on. That was a pretty classless remark, and now I perceive you in a certain way that isn't likely to change.

[Conner]

Moore should develop this further in season 2. The Cylon Raiders should start shitting when a Viper gets behind them in a dogfight. Zoic would do such a great job with the special effects.

[Martok2112]

Depends on what you're trying to say, Martock. If you're implying I'm prejudiced because I see people acting certain ways, then call it prejudice if you like. I'll call it honesty. I think prejudice is when you define people by false perceptions. My perceptions were completely true. To me, and probably to others. But now, as I said, those perceptions are changing, which is good.

I am, however, prejudiced against you from now on. That was a pretty classless remark, and now I perceive you in a certain way that isn't likely to change.

So, you're saying that you have never seen a TNS fan claim that the new show is less than perfect? Well....oooo-k.

Perhaps what I said was rash. As I am sure you are frustrated with all the praise the the new Battlestar Galactica gets (whether generous or even conditional). I get equally frustrated when someone paints TNS fans with so broad a brush. You do not know me. I do not know you. It's too bad that we cannot meet face to face to have a civil discussion about this.


Whatever your problems have been with me, Ray, I am sure that I will not lose any sleep or shed any tears over them. Personally, I have no problems with you. I've also heard you're one hell of a writer. It's too bad that you'll let a simple (and for whatever reason, unforgivable) misunderstanding get in the way of such respect.

If it's an apology you would like for having misspoke myself, I offer it freely, and without reservation. I won't kiss your astrums over it...but if I was in the wrong, then I was in the wrong.

All the best,
Martok2112

[jewels]

RGrant, that would be your loss. Martok's a decent guy.

I think Martok's talking about prejudice being a generalization of the attitudes about any group, usually one that the person generalizing doesn't belong to. I think he wants folks to see that there are individual trees (with their own degrees of likes/dislikes about TNS) and not just the forest of TNS worshippers it sounds like you perceive.

I have to say, that there is a specific reason I decided to come back to CA and not to any other site. Well... there are a few reasons,... but the main reason is that most people tend to be the intellegent sort and not the fufu cheerleaders over at scifi. Don't get me wrong. Obviously, TNS is an exciting and fun thing for them, but I enjoy being around people that can have a balanced opinion on something. See the good AND the bad, and manage to carry on an interesting debate, rather then just try and sugar coat everything about the new thing.

For the most part, the people here do that. And that is why I stay.

And a ship taking a dump is a stupid thing.

Malkyte

[Callipygian]

RGrant, that would be your loss. Martok's a decent guy.

I think Martok's talking about prejudice being a generalization of the attitudes about any group, usually one that the person generalizing doesn't belong to. I think he wants folks to see that there are individual trees (with their own degrees of likes/dislikes about TNS) and not just the forest of TNS worshippers it sounds like you perceive.
I couldn't agree more, Jewels. And RGrant, you could be accused of making the same generalizations with your statement that no TNS fans ever criticize the show. My criticisms have been more than just "TNS is far from perfect", but you have not read my other posts. I have also read other criticisms from other fans. That doesn't make you someone I want to attack or disdain. I think you're being a bit harsh toward Martok, who happens to be a very nice guy.

And you're right, Malkyte. A ship taking a dump is a stupid thing. I'm still laughing about it.

[Gemini1999]

RGrant, that would be your loss. Martok's a decent guy.

I think Martok's talking about prejudice being a generalization of the attitudes about any group, usually one that the person generalizing doesn't belong to. I think he wants folks to see that there are individual trees (with their own degrees of likes/dislikes about TNS) and not just the forest of TNS worshippers it sounds like you perceive.
I couldn't agree more, Jewels. And RGrant, you could be accused of making the same generalizations with your statement that no TNS fans ever criticize the show. My criticisms have been more than just "TNS is far from perfect", but you have not read my other posts. I have also read other criticisms from other fans. That doesn't make you someone I want to attack or disdain. I think you're being a bit harsh toward Martok, who happens to be a very nice guy.

And you're right, Malkyte. A ship taking a dump is a stupid thing. I'm still laughing about it.

Cally -

That's why I love your posts... I watch TNS and I see both good and bad in the show and occasionally make mention of what I think in that regard. I don't think that there is a Sci Fi show, new or old that isn't above some sort of criticism. I may not be the classic profile of a TNS fan, but you'd have to be pretty blind or forgiving not to see what's wrong (or right) with the show.

As to Martok - Steve really is a great guy if you take time to get to know him and not just on the surface from his posts. Like anyone around here, we are all prone to an outburst or two, but those hardly define someone's character. If anyone would take more than two seconds to make the effort to get to know the people around you, it's easier to understand their point of view, even when you don't agree with them.

Thanks for the great post!

Best,
Bryan

[Warrior]

Moore should develop this further in season 2. The Cylon Raiders should start shitting when a Viper gets behind them in a dogfight. Zoic would do such a great job with the special effects.

Zoic doesn't do the FX for them anymore. Hadn't for a while now.

[Martok2112]

(getting all these warm fuzzies) :D


Thanks folks. I appreciate the kind sentiments. :)

RGrant, as I said, and I stand by it...I have no probs with you personally. If we can clear the air in a civil PM, that would be just cool by me.

Gotsta run for now...peace,
Martok2112

Maybe the ship taking a dump is a self defense mechanism, kind of like a squid and ink. When the colonials are behind the raiders, they just take a dump and smear the vipers windshield so the pilots can't see.


:lol:

[Callipygian]

And in the next exciting episode, RDM unveils his latest reimagining...Depends undergarments for Cylon Raiders who just gotta go right now.

[necron2.0]

Wow. Seven whole pages of people defending a diarrhetic space ship. AND THEY'RE SERIOUS. That's the part that just kills me. I've been laughing so hard, I'm actually crying.

So, what do you think the Cylons will rename Caprica? :D

I'm sure it will be a name to go down in the anals of history.
:lol:

[Gemini1999]

So, what do you think the Cylons will rename Caprica? :D

I'm sure it will be a name to go down in the anals of history.
:lol:

How about Craprica?

Just a thought....

Bryan

2/19/2005 -- Question: Will we see the mess hall and other part of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?

I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the pilot specifically so we'd have it around during the series.

2/19/2005 -- Question: Was this the first show to ever show a Bathroom on a space ship?

It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre.

[Warrior]

...and that has ...what.. to do with a Cylon Raider that takes a dump in a cut scene? ;)

If it's a referrence to trying to say it's a first fora machine to take a crap, then I must point out it's not. In fact, a shitting machine in cut scene format is another rip off of osBG.

Muffit left a pile of nuts and bolts behind in the bloopers reel :LOL:

...and that has ...what.. to do with a Cylon Raider that takes a dump in a cut scene? ;)

Do you want the Freudian analysis?

[Warrior]

Yeah.

... the short of it is, it's all about shit. The Cylon ship has one. Gaeta has one. Baltar has one.

And then there's the other uses for the "Head" - I'm thinking Ellen Tigh and Baltar in "Colonial Day"

How many times do we see Laura Roslin in the bathroom on Colonial One?

[Warrior]

...umm Ok. Guess I'm a bit slow then.

2/19/2005 -- Question: Will we see the mess hall and other part of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?

I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the pilot specifically so we'd have it around during the series.

2/19/2005 -- Question: Was this the first show to ever show a Bathroom on a space ship?

It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre.

Actually Mal was using the toilet in the pilot of Firefly, and in Star Trek V, it is believed that Kirk was sitting on a toilet in the brig.

:P

Why was money wasted on filming it?

There are many shows and movies that have scenes cut before they air or go to theatres. What's the difference?


Tibbetts

I've never heard of any other show filming a ship shitting, so if you can point them out...

That's not what I meant and you know. :roll:


Tibbetts

Yeah, and maybe one day you're going to slice your schlong and boys off with a rusty knife!

Ain't gonna happen!

:D This is the CA I know and love. I was afraid we were turning into a weeping, girly man site.

LOL... I highly doubt that'll happen anytime soon.


Tibbetts

Fair enough.

I, being a TNS, do admit that the show is not perfect.

I agree. TNS is far from perfect. No show is.


Tibbetts

[Warrior]

Why was money wasted on filming it?

There are many shows and movies that have scenes cut before they air or go to theatres. What's the difference?


Tibbetts

I've never heard of any other show filming a ship shitting, so if you can point them out...

That's not what I meant and you know. :roll:


Tibbetts

No. I don't know that, because I wanted to know why money was wasted on a ship shitting. You replied to that by saying many shows have done that.

And in the next exciting episode, RDM unveils his latest reimagining...Depends undergarments for Cylon Raiders who just gotta go right now.

LOL... Now that shit was funny! :D (pun intended) ;)


Tibbetts

There are many shows and movies that have scenes cut before they air or go to theatres. What's the difference?


Tibbetts

I've never heard of any other show filming a ship shitting, so if you can point them out...

That's not what I meant and you know. :roll:


Tibbetts

No. I don't know that, because I wanted to know why money was wasted on a ship shitting. You replied to that by saying many shows have done that.

Cutting scenes before air-time. Does that help? :roll:


Tibbetts

[Warrior]

Do you *really* think other shows cut scenes before air time? Wow. I'd never have guessed!!! Thanks for enhancing my knowledge.

But it still didn't answer my question.

[dru]

I've never heard of any other show filming a ship shitting, so if you can point them out...

That's not what I meant and you know. :roll:

No. I don't know that, because I wanted to know why money was wasted on a ship shitting. You replied to that by saying many shows have done that.

Cutting scenes before air-time. Does that help? :roll:[/quote]

I'm not sure why the scene was written other than as an excuse to show the Raider's defecation. The dialog between Lee and Saul is totally redundant in light of the Kara / Saul scene. We've seen other toilets. Kirk does indeed sit on the retractable commode in Star Trek V's brig (based on the set information decals seen on-screen). The Phantom Menace had toilet humor with one of the Tatoonie creatures either defecating, someone having stepped in the result or the creature passing gas. I don't remember specifically.

[Langolas]

But it still didn't answer my question.

My guess to reinforce it was a biological ship. As to why it was written and filmed, why not write Moore, eck, or Sci-fi since no one (that I know of) is on this board in the writing or production department.

[Darth Marley]

Poop is very edgy.

[Neuromanzr]

Poop is very edgy.

What have you been eating?!

[Darth Marley]

Ruffles have ridges!

Do you *really* think other shows cut scenes before air time? Wow. I'd never have guessed!!! Thanks for enhancing my knowledge.

But it still didn't answer my question.

Don't be an ass. I was talking about how other shows cut scenes before air time. Who the hell cares if its about a ship that shits.

That may not even have been shit. Moore could've said that as a joke. Probably the Chief hit a release valve or something. Who knows? And frankly, I really don't care. It wasn't in the aired version anyway.

Some of you complain about the smallest damn things. :roll:


Tibbetts

[Commander Cain]

Poop is very edgy.

What have you been eating?!

Cornnuts?

I'm not sure why the scene was written other than as an excuse to show the Raider's defecation. The dialog between Lee and Saul is totally redundant in light of the Kara / Saul scene. We've seen other toilets. Kirk does indeed sit on the retractable commode in Star Trek V's brig (based on the set information decals seen on-screen). The Phantom Menace had toilet humor with one of the Tatoonie creatures either defecating, someone having stepped in the result or the creature passing gas. I don't remember specifically.

There were other things going on in that scene, if I recall. Lee Adama asking Tigh to motivate Thrace. The Chief and Cally still trying to figure out the Raider. In which, the Chief seems to have hit a release valve or something and whatever came out looked like shit.

So, there were other things their. The Raider shit scene was pretty funny to me. :D Moore seems to have a sick sense of humour. Which is cool, because I have one, so it makes me laugh.

Man... I just looked back and we have like 9 pages of discussion on a shit scene! :lol: How pathetic are we? :lol:


Tibbetts

Man... I just looked back and we have like 9 pages of discussion on a shit scene! :lol: How pathetic are we? :lol:



Now, that is funny!!!! :lol:

[Langolas]

Man... I just looked back and we have like 9 pages of discussion on a shit scene! :lol: How pathetic are we? :lol:



Now, that is funny!!!! :lol:

As we type heading towards 10 pages ;)

[Darth Marley]

"Not shit! Energy!"

Poop is very edgy.

I suppose it can be if you don't chew your food well enough. ;) hehehe...


Tibbetts

Man... I just looked back and we have like 9 pages of discussion on a shit scene! :lol: How pathetic are we? :lol:



Now, that is funny!!!! :lol:

As we type heading towards 10 pages ;)

LOL... Wonder if this'll rival the Religion thread last year while Eric Paddon was here. :lol: That'll be hilarious!



Tibbetts

[Langolas]

Wonder if this'll rival the Religion thread last year while Eric Paddon was here. :lol: That'll be hilarious!


HOw many pages was that?

[Darth Marley]

Someone needs to do a frame grab of it, perhaps I will make it my new avatar!

[Callipygian]

"Not shit! Energy!"
Gives a whole new meaning to those Energy Bars that health nuts like to eat.

Wonder if this'll rival the Religion thread last year while Eric Paddon was here. :lol: That'll be hilarious!


HOw many pages was that?

It was atleast fourty pages. Maybe fourty-five. :D


Tibbetts

[necron2.0]

"Not shit! Energy!"
Gives a whole new meaning to those Energy Bars that health nuts like to eat.

Do NOT (repeat) NOT let your cat eat granola. A cat with gas is horror few could survive, and none could adequately describe.

[Martok2112]

"Not shit! Energy!"
Gives a whole new meaning to those Energy Bars that health nuts like to eat.

Do NOT (repeat) NOT let your cat eat granola. A cat with gas is horror few could survive, and none could adequately describe.

That would be a cat-astrophe. :D

Or would that be a cat-gastrophe? :D

[Callipygian]

Do NOT (repeat) NOT let your cat eat granola. A cat with gas is horror few could survive, and none could adequately describe.

That would be a cat-astrophe. :D
Or would that be a cat-gastrophe? :D
I believe it would be cat-ass-trophe.

[Langolas]

[It was atleast fourty pages. Maybe fourty-five. :D


Tibbetts

Oh wow, we gots a long way to go then ;)

Hey! We made 10!!! :lol:

If it means anything, one of the longest threads in MediaBlvd's BSG board history was on eating shit. I'm sure someone else can provide the link.

It seems talking about shit is popular.

[Darth Marley]

If it means anything, one of the longest threads in MediaBlvd's BSG board history was on eating shit. I'm sure someone else can provide the link.

It seems talking about shit is popular.

That was a good thread. I think Ioraptor started that one.
Hell, that even goes back to the days when FV was still posting.

[Callipygian]

Apparently, shit is very popular. I found a bizarre website dedicated to poop at http://www.poopreport.com/

[Martok2112]

Triumph, the Comic Insult Dog must be very happy this day. :D

[It was atleast fourty pages. Maybe fourty-five. :D


Tibbetts

Oh wow, we gots a long way to go then ;)

Yes indeed. :D


Tibbetts

Hey! We made 10!!! :lol:

:lol: Yup. Only thirty more to go. ;) hehehehe...


Tibbetts

[Bishop37]

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Peter

Actually, I'm not amiss at the idea of a biological ship taking a poop on deck. It's natural enough, and frankly makes sense.

Can you believe I came to the defense of TNS? I have to go wash my keyboard now (nasty comment due to my unyielding guerilla war here in the remains of the conquered BSG TOS lands).

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Peter

There's a pig nearby? Where? Pork Chops everyone! :D


Tibbetts